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Good Afternoon Little Flock,                                                    Jan. 2, 2003

I hope that you have had a nice little vacation and that you new year is off and running smoothly.. It is raining here at the Bar-K-Ranch and dreary out side.. I am taking anti-biotic now for my lymphatic legs which have fever and infected.. Donít know how that happened.. I havenít been to the garage working or anything.. I did go outside barefooted the other day in the rain and that might be where the infection came from... Yea, I know better.. At least Iím old enough to know better.. 58 is old enough isnít it? LOL I do hope that you will enjoy this study.. I am like a pack rat and saved the original letter from Lee which he wrote sometime in 2001 but I am getting ahead of myself.. (smile) And that I can blame on being 58 for sure... LOL

I have been revamping a letter all day now which I received from Lee in 2001. I guess that it didnít help him back then because I can see by the letter I received the other day his thinking is as screwed up as it was back then.. (smile) But we mustnít give up because I can also see that he is still searching.. If Lee can ever get past the baby stage concerning salvation perhaps he could grow as a Christian.. Must be saved and born again before that though. I guess Lee is still in the conception of salvation because he is trying to receive salvation by getting flipped and dipped in the baptismal waters...

Actually, todayís thought is more than a daily thing and will be more of a study. It will be rather long but meaty and you may wish to save this mailing or print it out and then do it with your Bible in hand.. (smile) For it is not what I say nor anyone else for that matter but what God has to say through His Word, The Bible... I will have this recent letter and below that the original letter and then my study below that... May God bless this study and may we do it in love and understanding with the help of the Holy Spirit. May this short study be revealed to the reader by the guidance of the Holy Spirit as Biblical truths.. Amen.. Here is the letter I received from Lee just the other day... Oh, Yea I am going to make this reply a page on the Alleger Church site and place it in the sermonís section for further reference.. I will exclude Leeís email address so not to be an embarrassment to him...

Note here: I will be putting my thoughts in italic words and color orange answer and scripture in blue to help from becoming confusing...

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Jim,
Was wondering if you had seen the light yet, Hello Lee. Yes, I saw the light back in August of 1979 at a revival at the Allegre Missionary Baptist Church... or are you still promoting and teaching falsely?? If you consider teaching and preaching the Words of God as written in His Holy Scripture as falsely, Then I must admit that I surely am. (smile) The New Testament is what we
shall be judged by, and there is NO Example of anyone being saved in the NT short of being Baptized INTO Jesus(Acts 2:38)?
The New Testament also say; It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. and it also states to: work out your salvation with fear and trembling... may I suggest that you read around the verses you which to quote.. And let not forget a couple of references, shall we; The verse to which you make reference;

Acts 2: 38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Iíll be breaking this down in the next letter but I just want to add a couple of references along with it verse... since you enjoy this book let us also read;

Acts 3: 19

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

And while I am stepping on some toes er hopefully hearts here, let us not forget the great commission verses for the baptized in the name of Jesus only crowd; Yes they neglect the sayings of Jesus and also wish to leave out the Father and Holy Ghost... so sad! But this is another study..

Matthew 28: 18, 20

[18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Please read and study with an open mind and Yee Shall Know the
Truth I might add that this advise would be good for you as well. (smile) Kinda like shaving. It is better if your looking in the mirror when shaving yourself.. - every book beyond Acts was primarily written to warn about false teachers - Even Paul after Praying for 3 days was told by Annanias 'to arise and go be Baptised and wash away thy Sins"
hmmmmm, of coarse you are referring to:

Acts 9: 18

[18] And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
But once again you missed the boat.. I have missed in my Bible where God told Saul to arise and go be baptized and wash away thy sins. What my Bible says is;

Acts 9: 6

[3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord?
Right here is where Saul recognizes that it is God speaking to him. And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
[6] And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?
This question from Saul, the chosen vessel of God (vs. 15), indicates his belief and salvation experience.. Saul was saved while in the bright light on that road to Damascus.. The reason I say this is because had Saul not believed then why would he go on and follow in Godís biding to go?
And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Well Lee, this brings us up to date but the actual study was in your first letter which is below... So as the ole saying goes , Looks as though weíre gonna hafta lick that calf again.. (smile)
Sncrly,
"mailto:leemcclune@hotmail.com"

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Ok, grab a cup of coffee, take a deep breath, and letís see if we might glean from the word of God.

Here is the 2001 letter from you, Lee.....

 

Salvation by Baptism?

Afternoon Everyone, and especially Lee,

I received this letter today and it never seems to amaze me how shallow in knowledge, concerning this doctrine of the Bible, some people are. Lee, please read all of this letter with an open mind. I would suggest before you go any further to ask God to remove the scales from you eyes of understanding and open them to the truths set forth in His Holy Word.... I know that you were probably brought up in the Christ of Christ or maybe the Christian Church or a break off and this is what you were taught. I donít know if I can help you or not but you seem to be searching so I will try. I am not knocking your religion or even trying to promote mine. Religions (plural) have sent more people to Hell than anything I know... Maybe I should clarify that statement... False Religions

Here is a copy of Leeís letter... this is not to embarrass anyone but hopefully to help each of us to better understand... There are 210 of you now on my mail list and some of you may encounter this doctrinal thinking.. Hopefully we can shed a little light.. hmmmm. My little flock has grown since this letter was written. Well Glory!

Dear Sir,

Well, It seems you are a quite religious person - It is a dirty shame that you have mised the

primary and most important step to salvation, and are subsequently teaching falsely and very

possibly, leading people on the path to hades.

The bible teaches 'the pathway to salvation is straight and narrow and few there will be who find it'.

Acts 2 teaches the way to recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit, for as many as were Baptized into

Christ were added to his Church.

When Paul was struck down on the way to Damascus, after three days of praying, Aninias

came to him and said 'why tarriest thou, go and be Baptized and wash away your sins'.

All Blessings are 'In Christ' and the ONLY way into Chrish is to ' bury the old man of sin

thru Baptizim, to rise into a newness of Life in Christ'.

There is no example in the NT of 'anyone' being Saved short of being Baptized into Christ.

I believe you could be a great teacher of Christian Faith, if you would but stick to the Gospel

as taught by the Apostles in the one and only true 1st Church.

In Christian Love,

Lee

Ok so here we go... I will try and answer you letter as you wrote it..

Dear Sir,

Well, It seems you are a quite religious person -Not so much religious although I appreciate the fact that you recognize something in me that is separate from the rest of the world.. Praise God! I am however, saved, bought by the Pure Blood of Jesus and born again.. It is a dirty shame that you have mised the primary and most important step to salvation (Smile) (I must inform you that I havenít missed anything. And I have been flipped and dipped in the Baptismal waters but not for my salvation.. It was my very first works to show the world that Jesus Christ dwells with in me..)

First and foremost. Baptism does not save... It is a symbol of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Donít get me wrong. It is important, it just doesnít save you. It is a work, something you do.. If you are looking to Baptism to be saved then you are lost in your sins and headed to a devils hell..

Ephesians 2: 8, 9

[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; ( by grace, which means unmerited favor, your receiving something you donĎt deserve..)and that not of yourselves:( could this mean something you might do to be saved? such as crawling across the United States on your knees through broken glass, or maybe getting sprinkled or submerged in water by a holy man? it is the gift of God: a gift; hmmmm it is given to me and I donít have to do any physical thing to receive it.. I donít have to work, but isnít Baptism doing something? Like a work?
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I Corinthians. 1: 12, 21

[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. (today it might read; I am a Baptist, or Church of God or Presbyterian, or Catholic, or Church of Christ, A Pentecostal, or Amish, or whatever.)
[13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
[14] I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[15] Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
[16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
[17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
((( hmmmm, doesnít it seem odd that Paul emphasized not the baptizing BUT the Cross of Christ... And what is he referring to when he said, ďMADE OF NONE EFFECTĒ )))))
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[19] For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[20] Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

[21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
((( please Excuse my scarcasm but the last part of vs. 21 says, ď TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.Ē Believe and Baptism start with the same letter but it is the belief in Jesus Christ that saves... )))

Next you wrote: Acts 2 teaches the way to recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit, for as many as were Baptized into

Christ were added to his Church. Wow, How about we get all of that verse you are referring to...

Acts 2: 37, 41

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
((( oops, notice the word Repent. Capital R,,, meaning turn away from or To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.

I have a question... Just why would anyone Repent of their sins if they, at first, didnít believe that the one they were repenting to had the ability and the power to forgive them? Ohhhhh! so before we continue in this verse we must first, BELIEVE. but believe in What? Answer! The gospel of Christ.... and then, we can, continuing now with our verse,

and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, ((right up to the present day of 2001))) even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[41] Then they that gladly received his word
((( Those who received his word became saved and then))) were baptized: (((into that body ((church body)) of believers,
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Lee, Next you wrote:

When Paul was struck down on the way to Damascus, after three days of praying, Aninias

came to him and said 'why tarriest thou, go and be Baptized and wash away your sins'.

All Blessings are 'In Christ' and the ONLY way into Chrish is to ' bury the old man of sin

thru Baptizim, to rise into a newness of Life in Christ'.

Sorry Lee, but again you have misconstrued the scriptures. Letís read them together OK?

I just love this so letís read it all so we donít miss something really good.. I hope that you all are enjoying this study as much as I am....

Acts 9; 1, 20

[1] And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, (Keep in mind that Saul is religious and believes he is doing Godís will.)
[2] And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
[3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Saul meets the God he thought he had worshiped and studied about.
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord?
((( Isnít it odd that Saul ask who it was and answered it in the same sentence when he said, ĎLordĎ ... He knew he was talking to God, didnít he? ))) And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
[6] And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?
((( Right here, Saul believes in Jesus))) And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
[7] And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
[8] And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man:
((Isnít it strange how many people have their eyes open but canít see God and must be lead by the hand..)) but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
[9] And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink. (((3 days, the number of deity)))
[10] And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
((( Godís faithful servant..))
[11] And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
((( hmmmm, think about this a minute. Saul, now a child of God, is praying to His Heavenly Father..)))
[12] And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
[13] Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
[14] And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
[15] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me,
(( I am so happy that God chose me to be His vessel, just as He chose Paul, to spread the good news of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world...))) Well, Glory!!

to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
[16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
[17] And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
(((OK... this is important and we need to get it in order chronologically.. First, God took care of the physical by giving Saul his eyesight back.. Secondly, ( because of Saulís belief in Jesus Christ), God filled Saul with the Holy Spirit.. Saul is saved.. he is born again... and Thirdly, in the next verse you will notice that Saul is obedient to God as his first act as a new born again Christian to show the world that he had accepted Jesus as his saviour through Baptism...
[18] And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
[19] And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

[20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Lee, you really missed the boat in this next statement.. As a matter of fact this statement came from the middle of the Sahara desert where there is no boat... (smile) I know I am picking on you a little bit Lee but stay with me and smile...

Lee, you wrote; There is no example in the NT of 'anyone' being Saved short of being Baptized into Christ.

Luke 23: 39, 46

[39] And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. ((( This is the conversation of the two men condemned to die on the cross on either side of Jesus..)))
[40] But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
[41] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
This malefactor, being condemned to death with out any opportunity whatsoever of getting off of that cross to be baptized, realizes his sinful and lost condition... He looks to the only one who can save him, Jesus Christ, believing in Him and ask for his salvation...
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. ((( Jesus did not tell the man, Iím sorry but you have to be Baptized before you can go to heaven..

Is that what Jesus said? NO! NO! NO! Jesus said, ďTo day shalt thou be with meĒ not tomorrow, not next year, not in the year 2001, but TODAY!! Those men in WWII and Vietnam and other wars who accepted God while in the trenches, and foxholes, and airplanes and submarines, and rat holes who repented of their sins, accepted Jesus as their Saviour, and died before they could go to the Baptismal waters are in Heaven today. Right there with the malefactor who hung alongside of Jesus.... if I should die in the next 2 minutes then you can truthfully say that, TODAY JIM KEELING IS IN HEAVEN... WELL GLORY!!!
[44] And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
[45] And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Lee, I am going to give you a few more scriptures as a good measure. Romans here will symbolize baptism by union with Christ in death and resurrection.

Into Christ here means: with reference to Christ..

Romans 6: 1, 10

[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? (( salvation by grace is what is referred to here. ))
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Baptism in this verse here symbolizes the death of Jesus.
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
Baptism here symbolizes a burial. When a person is put inot the ground they are covered with dirt. (usually six feet of it) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. The baptism symbolizes by being raised out of the water we are to walk, (a laborious effort or work) in newness of life. We are to walk as a Christian and not as the world.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Once again this refers to the baptismal symbol; for it is a likeness of His death and then the verse goes on to say; shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection.
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
through our belief in Him, repentance, and accepting Jesus as our Saviour that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. We are not to serve sin physically as well as spiritually...

[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over
him.
And this is one of the great verses in scripture which deals with eternal security in that Christ died once (one time only) for our sins and the sins of the world by the shedding of His Pure Blood, and that one time was sufficient in the eyes of God.. So once you have been saved; if you lost that salvation ( maybe better put) if you could lose that salvation, Jesus would have to come back and be sacraficed again.. And that would be each and every time you got lost.. How appalling to even think of asking Christ to do such a thing.. But that is another study...
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Well Lee, I have spent over 5 hours preparing this for you in hopes that if you were depending on you water experience for salvation that you will now turn to Jesus, believing and ask His forgiveness for your sins and invite Him into your heart. Accepting Him will be the greatest thing you have ever or will ever do in this life.

Acts 10: 42, 48
[42] And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
[43] To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
opps! it didnít say whosoever is baptized in him.. hmmmm maybe the Bible has a misprint here... No Lee, it is written correctly.. whosoever believeth in him
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(((All of this took place before the water)))
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[
47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Lee, Here it is in a nut shell..... Only a saved person, (a believer in Christ,) may receive the Holy Ghost.. And Peter is asking here if they can forbid water, Baptism water, when???? for those who have, (past tense) received the Holy Ghost...


[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And Lastly you wrote:

I believe you could be a great teacher of Christian Faith, if you would but stick to the Gospel

as taught by the Apostles in the one and only true 1st Church.

In Christian Love,

I wish to thank you Lee, for you compliments concerning being a great teacher of the Christian faith IF ... I am afraid Iím not seeking to be a great anything outside of being a follower of Christ.. Only God is great and good... I am but a humble servant. As you can see by this letter in answer, I have stuck to the gospel and what little that is in orange is my understanding as the Holy Spirit has revealed it to me.

So as you read the scriptures in blue, ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding.. BUT only after you have accepted Jesus as Saviour..

Romans 10: 8, 13

[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

At the outset I stated that Baptism does not save you... And this is a true statement.

What does save you is the belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ; Repenting of your sins and asking Jesus to come into your heart; and accepting Him as your personal Lord and Saviour...

And after youíve done this? Then you may express to the world that you have been saved by entering the baptismal waters....

Well Glory!

I pray that this answered letter has been a blessing,

Jim

 

 

 

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