A letter from David and my Reply; 2 Bible Studies in 1.
Salvation by Baptism and Sabbath Day or 7th Day Adventist
Hi Everyone, and especially David,
Well, it looks as though we disagree again, David.. I have been to your site and signed your guest book. As I did with Lee, I will drop down and answer your letter.. For those of you who have just joined the Jim Keeling Ministries, I have placed David's letter in the green text and my answers in this brown Italicized text, Also, I've put the Scriptures in Red intro and verses in Blue with some highlighted. And for you who are babes in Christ, get ready for some excitement because there are some steak and tatters in the lesson found here... I pray that the Holy Spirit will be our guide each of us in all Biblical truth and understanding... Amen! Well Glory! Let's get started!
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:17 AM Subject:
Well, Jim, It's me again!
you have, in your effort to correct Lee, made some very fundamental errors
yourself! (Is this good for God's TRUTH?)
I Corinthians 3: 18, 20
 Let no man deceive
himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him
become a fool, that he may be wise.
You quite correctly cited the murderer on the cross as one who was promised a place in Christ's Kingdom in the New Testament. I also immediately thought of him when I read Lee's original letter.
further to my earlier note) you have fallen into the Satanic trap of
believing that what is printed in just about every Bible translation is
accurate. IT IS NOT!!
What you need to be
aware of is that the original Koine Greek (in which Luke's gospel was
written) did not have any punctuation marks as we have today. The CORRECT
translation should NOT have a comma following the word "thee." Instead of
reading, And Jesus said unto him,
Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
it should read,
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee
today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Do you see the difference?
Luke 23: 43 Barry's Interlinear
"And said to him Jesus,
Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in Paradise."
Oh, there was no comma after To-day, in either the original or KJV translations. Looks as though your books missed the boat and need some punctuation lessons...
And according to the King James version, 1611 (and not some perverted version as such as you must be reading) it is translated and reads as such;
Luke 23: 43; KJV
"And Jesus said unto
him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
There is absolutely
NO WAY that the murdered could have been in paradise with (or without)
Jesus on the day that Jesus spoke those words.
Turn to John 20:17. There you will see where Jesus said to Mary Magdalene (outside the empty tomb THREE days later), "Do not hold onto me, for I have not yet returned to the Father."
hmmmm holding on to
and touching must mean the same in your Bible.. No wonder your so screwed
up in your thinking.. Does your Bible version leave out the virgin birth
of Christ and the word blood too??? Just wondering. I was also wondering
if Jesus drove a Caddy or a Chevy when he RETURNED to the Father... Sorry
about the sarcastic remark but these off the wall translations just slay
This very clearly
shows that Jesus was not in paradise on the day He was crucified doesn't
I Peter 3: 18
 For Christ also hath
once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust,
he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but
quickened by the Spirit:
Concerning John 20: 17
" Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not: for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethern, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Mt. 28: 9
"and they came and held him by his feet." A contradiction has been
supposed. Three views are held:
If you read your Bible carefully you will realise that NO ONE is yet in paradise with Jesus. THAT is why He is returning! To resurrect the faithful. Rather than go on at length here. Jim, may I suggest that you read chapter 16 of my book "God's deal With YOU" (at the beloved King Ministries' web site...
honk!!! hello where have you been??? And no thank you, I do not wish to read your book... As screwed up as you are, I don't need that aggravation. Just another book of a perversion of man's thoughts... My word, aren't there enough of them already??? Satan has lined the shelves with some truths, impregnated by the ignorance of man filling the bulk of the remaining pages...
Well, since I haven't written any book filled with my wisdom, LOL, I will just have to rely on the Holy Word of God and the understanding as He ( the Holy Spirit) gives me unction.. and I will not fall into your seduction.
I John 2: 26, 28
 These things have
I written unto you
concerning them that seduce you.
Now that we have established that my understanding is as one anointed, let's proceed.
I am going to make a wild guess that you meant paradise to be heaven. (written in the above chapter) I colored it in Bold black underline so as not to confuse my readers....
I am not sorry to inform you but my dad and my 2 grandpas and a whole lot of other children of God are looking down now FROM HEAVEN with tears in their eyes from the stupidity of unbelief and mis-understanding..
Hebrews 12: 1
Wherefore seeing we also are
compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay
aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us
run with patience the race that is set before us,
I Thessalonians 4: 13, 18
 But I would
not have you to be ignorant,
brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not,
even as others which have no hope.
God doesn't want you to be
ignorant, no matter how hard you try, David. For there is hope for His
children but no hope for the world...
I just can't stop here... Let's look at
I Corinthians 15: 51, 53
shew you a mystery; We
shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed,
www. ) This explains the state of the dead in much more detail than I can here in the time I have available. (In fact, based on a number of scripturally erroneous statements you have made over the months in your word of the day, may I respectfully suggest that you read the whole book?)
I, of course, have NO DESIRE to be seen as critical or offensive - especially by one who clearly WANTS to serve our Creator and Savior - and ask you to read Ezekiel 3:17-21 before doing anything else that I have suggested.
Ezekiel 3: 16, 21 No blood on my hands; Not after sharing this with you...
 And it came to
pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me,
and just what comes after the end of seven days? Could it be the word of
the Lord came on the 1st day of the week...Isn't that interesting.. No
wonder Paul the apostle wrote in
This explains very
clearly why I am pointing out the error you have made. To be honest Jim, I
have quite enough sins of my own to bear responsibility
It isn't a shame to get caught up in a false religion because Satan has made so many of them but to hold on to a dying golden calf sinking into the pits of hell is worse than a shame.... Drop that potato, David, Pull you book from the shelves and seek the mind of God and ask Him to show you the truth and where to find a Ecclesia where you may have fellowship with believers in the One, True, and Living God...
In Jesus' love,
All I can say is, thank you, David... I left off your signature so as not to embarrass you... Me, I am an open book and don't mind being embarrassed... After reading my thought for several months I guess that I am not a very good preacher or teacher at all... But I didn't write a book either... I just quoted from the Bible, but then not many listened to Jesus either so what should I expect... (smile) I will just praise Jesus and look for His coming... Well Glory!!
Ps. If your gonna stay in the Old Testament category let me know and I will help you find some really nice lambs and doves... Oh, I have a neighbor who raises calves... If your gonna stay under the law you might as well get back into the blood sacrifices...
Maybe it is time to go back to school and learn from a school master... (smile)
NO! It (law) is no longer needed now that I have been justified by faith...
Gal 3: 22, 26
 But the
scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith
of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
I pray that all who read this can
honestly say I am a child of God...
Ps. just some notes;
Sab·bath ( http://www.atomica.com/lookup2/pronkey.html )
The seventh day of the week, Saturday, observed as the day of rest and worship by the Jews and some Christian sects. The first day of the week, Sunday, observed as the day of rest and worship by most Christians.
Sabbath [Heb., = repose], last day of the week (Saturday), observed as a holy day of rest by the Jews. Early Christians observed the first day of the week in commemoration of the Resurrection; hence Sunday became the Christian Sabbath.
The Concise Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia Copyright © 1999, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Columbia University Press. All rights reserved. http://www.cc.columbia.edu/cu/cup/
Atomica is a great dictionary etc. I recommend it highly..
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