Bible Doctrine vs. False A letter from Patrick C.
and my Reply
Greetings Little Flock,
This is a letter I
received from a fellow who needs help.... I am not ashamed of the gospel
of Christ and will share it with you all. Perhaps it may help someone to
understand why we need to know, what real Bible truth truly is....
letter is in
this format and blue color and my answer is
in this brown format and color… (smile)
----- Original Message
From: "Patrick C
Sent: Saturday, March
25, 2006 4:40 AM
Subject: It's a HEAVEN
or HELL thing!!!
> I want to ask you a question, a serious question that is not meant to be
sarcastic and is not being presented for debate, but presented to you out
of love for you and your family and friends............did you know that
NO one in the Bible ever prayed the "sinner's prayer" or "accepted Jesus
as their personal saviour" or "asked Jesus into their heart" or repeated
seven simple words for their initial salvation?
And what about
this Philippian jailor for one?
Acts 16: 23, 32
when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison,
charging the jailor to keep them safely:
24 Who, having received such a
charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the
25 And at
and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great
earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and
immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison
awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out
his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had
28 But Paul cried with a loud
voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and
sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said,
Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they
said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy
32 And they
spake unto him the word of the Lord,
and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour
of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his,
34 And when he had brought them
into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God
with all his house.
35 And when it was day, the
magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go
Notice it was
believe first and then baptism…
> IT'S NOT IN THE BIG BLACK BOOK, I HAVE READ IT!!!
That is very
commendable, reading the big black book, but I believe you need to read it
again only this time try the true version. It’s called the 1611 King James
Version…. The reason I know that your not reading the true version is
because of your site’s opening page. This is what I found…
Phillipians 1-20 "For I live in eager
hope that I will never do anything that causes me
shame, but that I will always be BOLD for Christ.
21-For to me, living is Christ, and dying is even better.
How Radical Do you Wanna Be for Christ?
radical it should have read;
Philippians 1: 20
20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I
shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also
Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
And by the way you misspelled
Did that come from your Bible as you copied it or did you just type it in
> There is NO sinner's prayer.........It's really not in there! Look and
see! They did however believe, repent, confess Jesus and be immersed in
water for the remission of their sins. (IN All NINE COVERSIONS)......
Well glory! At
least this time you got the order correct. Believe, Repent, Confess,
(right here goes the part; Ask Jesus to forgive you your sins and to come
into your heart and be the Lord of your life, and all this in faith) and
then comes the immersion and baptism part. Not for salvation but to show
the world that you have by ensample been buried in Christ to be risen
again in newness of life…. It is the first ordinance of a child of God….
Baptism is not
a requirement for Salvation.
Like 23: 40, 46
40 But the
other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou
art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but
this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember
me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
((( And This was the thief’s sinner’s prayer…)))
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say
unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
(((And no water Baptism took place…)))
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the
earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy
hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
E-mail me for all
of the scripture, if you would like them.
That’s Ok, you’d just
send something from your perverted Bible which has changed the true
meaning… I do hope that you took the time to read today’s thought
entitled; “Departing from Truth”.
> Did you know the sinner's prayer is a an innovation that thwarts God's
plan of salvation?
First, they ah
hum, just who are they? Our church hasn’t replaced anything…
baptism by immersion with infant baptism by sprinkling. Second they Again
who are they?
later replaced baptism
altogether with the "sinner's prayer" so that baptism is no longer even
part of the plan of salvation.
You finally made a true statement. Baptism isn’t a part of Salvation>>>
Glory! You see Baptism was never a part of salvation after Christ
fulfillment of scriptures.
John 1: 31, 34
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the
Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred
before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should
be made manifest to
Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven
like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent
me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see
the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which
baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this
is the Son of God.
> Did you know if you prayed the "sinners prayer" for your salvation, you
may be still lost in your sins, because it is not what God said to do?
really? Let's see what Our Lord in the flesh had to say about the sinner’s
Mark1 14, 15
Now after that John was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of
15 And saying,
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and
believe the gospel
And in case
your not familiar with the gospel of Christ it can be found in
I Corithians 15, 1, 4
brethren, I declare unto you the gospel
which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye
2 By which also ye are saved,
if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in
is this saying here? By which also ye are saved. Could this mean that one
is saved by the gospel? Well Glory! What a revelation…
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins
according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according
to the scriptures
So, why did
someone (preacher/teacher/parent) lead you in a Sinner's Prayer, or teach
you to lead someone else in it in the first place?
Yea, well tell that to
the thief on the cross who got saved by the sinner's prayer. And don't
forget to not forget to ask God to forgive you this blasphemy letter
you've sent today. If, I said IF you've ever been saved then you're
forgiven but it is a shame that you can't trust in the blood of Christ
which makes me believe that you've trusted in the water instead of the
blood which makes hell an even more real place since your headed in that
general direction... Listen, your ideas are sincere and you've been taught
what your preaching but you really need to search more and find Christ so
that you can hear the leading of the Holy Spirit.... You've mentioned in
your letter about not having verses to back up my faith. WELL, Here are a
few verses which in your radical mind must have over looked.
Romans 1: 16
 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of
God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also
to the Greek.
 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5: 8, 9
 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet
sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by
his blood, we shall be
saved from wrath through him.
Romans 6: 23
 For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 10: 13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Revelations 3: 20
 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and
open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with
Romans 10: 9, 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved.
 For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
John 3: 16
 For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yea check out that verse
9 and 10 of Romans 10 and vs. 13 just once more... That my friend is the
sinners prayer or part.... The other part is repentance
Ephesians 2: 8, 10
 For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 Not of
works, lest any man should boast.
 For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them.
hmmmmm it didn't say;
For by water baptism are you saved, did it? Why NO! And by the way
baptism is a work. The very first work a saved person does when he becomes
baptized into a local body of believers… But that is more doctrine you
> It's part of this world's doctrine "EASY BELIEVISM.....ONCE SAVED,
Praise God in yet
another true statement! For the Pure blood of Christ is what saves and it
happens to be that that same pure blood is what keep you saved… Once
you’re a child of the King your Heaven bound. Well Glory!
Here are a few scriptures for you to look up. But please go to this site
and look them up in the KJV Bible…
I John 5: 13, 18--- Jude
24--- Romans 8: 5, 11---Heb. 10, 18---John 10: 27, 30---Eph. 1: 13--4:
30----Job 10: 7---Rom. 8: 9---Rom. 8: 35, 39---Jude 1: 24---I John 5: 9,
14---John 6: 67, 69---Psa. 97: 10---Rom. 6: 22, 23 ---I John 1: 8, etc.,
etc., etc., etc. )
DO WHAT YOU WANT AND
STILL GO TO HEAVEN....
Well here we go again.
Yes, you will go to heaven once you’ve been truly saved. Some claim to be
Christian but aren’t. Now as for the carnal Christian, Well there is a
punishment for your actions done in sin. It isn’t a get off scott free
sort of thing your implying here… If you don’t mind my saying; I’m truly
amazed at how many doctrines you’ve managed to screw up here in one
Patrick, do you realize that you’re gonna be held accountable to God
Almighty for the web
site and the
things, misguided and untruthful doctrines, you’re trying lay on folks who
are unlearned or even babes in Christ… If your numbers are correct then
you have 34,000 folks that you have misled and will stand before God for
and answer for you preaching’s…
Mathew 7: 13, 20
|Enter ye in at the
strait gate: for wide
is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and
many there be which go in thereat:
1st John 5:19
|Because strait is the gate,
and narrow is the way, which
leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
|Beware of false prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
2nd Pet 2:1,
1st John 4:1
2 Tim 3:5
|Ye shall know them by their
fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
|Even so every good tree
bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil
|A good tree cannot
bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good
|Every tree that bringeth
not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
|Wherefore by their fruits ye
shall know them.
And here is one verse
just for you because I read enough that you belong to the, baptize in the
name of Jesus only crowd…
Mathew 28: 18, 20
17 And when they saw
him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and
spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in
19 Go ye therefore, and
teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to
observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you
alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
ETERNAL SECURITY VS. ETERNAL RESPONSIBILITY......mentality!!!! All a lie
from the very pits of hell....
> That is what (address removed)
is trying to change, this HELL-BOUND attitude that today's preachers,
teachers, evangelist, parents.... are blatantly passing on, with no
biblical scripture to back it up.............
OPPS BETTER GO BACK UP
AND READ SOME OF THOSE SCRIPTURES TO BACK WHAT I’VE STATED, AS YOU PUT
does matter how you live, it does matter how you believe,,,
I’LL AGREE THAT
IT MATTERS WHAT YOU BELIEVE FOR WITHOUT BELIEF IN CHRIST A PERSON IS
HEADED TO HELL... As for how we live I believe Paul adequately put it this
Romans 7: 14,
25---8; 1, 4
7:14 For we know that
the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do
I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that
which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
7:17 Now then it is no
more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
For I know that in
me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present
with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I
would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I
would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law,
that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For I delight in
the law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another
law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me
into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that
I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through
Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of
God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8; 1, 4
8:1 There is therefore
now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after
the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:2 For the
law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and
8:3 For what the law
could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own
Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the
righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the
flesh, but after the Spirit.
does matter if you believe in Jesus or not.
At least we agree on
that last sentence. It truly matters…
We at Radical for God
WILL stand up for JESUS, HEAVEN and SALVATION!!
YOU MAY BE STANDING UP
BUT NOT FOR THE TRUTH CONCERNING JESUS, HEAVEN, OR SALVATION. THEY SEEM TO
BE JUST WORDS POPPING FROM YOUR KEYBOARD....
> It iss a Heavean or HELL thing...play time is over devil. It's war!
IS A WAR BUT YOU'VE SOMEHOW GOTTEN ON THE WRONG SIDE AND FOLLOWING THE
TRICKS OF THE ONE YOU CLAIM TO BE AT WAR WITH... Bowing to Satan is not a
war you are going to win.
> Look around at those so-called "saved people". How are they living, how
are they talking, how are they walking? If your church is all about the
almight $$$$$$$$, you'd better run and hide........
You have never seen on
my church site or any part of the Jim Keeling Ministries anything begging
for the almighty $$$$$$ and never will. God supplies my needs… does
your church look like the WORLD outside, dress like the world outside,
listen to the same music as the world outside.
YEP, YOUR RIGHT THERE.
LOOK AT ALL THE DEVIL CHURCHES CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES. THEY
HAVE MONEY ALRIGHT ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN HAVING ENOUGH TO
FINANCE YOUR CHURCH BUT THE WAY IT IS BEING USED. AND HOW DO THEY ACT? JUST
AS YOU WOULD EXPECT FOLLOWERS OF SATAN TO ACT. WORLDLY. YOU AND MOST FOLKS
LIKE YOU LOOK AT LOST FOLKS CLAIMING TO BE SAVED FOLKS AND MAKE JUDGMENTS
NOT KNOWING WHAT YOUR JUDGING…
Mathew 7: 1, 6
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of
thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
And I guess this next
verse is how I feel concerning you. I’m afraid this lesson which has been
made from your, how did you put it,
not meant to be
going to fall upon deft ears….
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls
before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and
> I will tell you this, the sinners prayer AND this easy believism
mentality is the devil's greatest plan to snare you into a lie, he is the
father of all lies.....
AND YOU SHOULD KNOW
SINCE YOUR FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL....
to take you and your family and friends to HELL with him......
AND IS GOING
TO IF YOU DON'T FIND JESUS AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND ASK HIM TO FORGIVE
YOU FOR SPREADING THESE FALSEHOODS AND FALSE RELIGION YOUR SPREADING. IF
ANYONE NEEDS TO SAY THE SINNERS PRAYER IT IS PATRICK CONATY. YOU NEED TO
TRUST IN THE PURE BLOOD OF CHRIST FOR YOUR SALVATION. THEN ASK JESUS TO
FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS AND THEN ASK HIM TO COME INTO YOUR HEART AND LIVE...
I ALSO HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU.... YOU'LL STILL IN SIN BECAUSE YOUR STILL
IN YOUR FLESHLY BODY BUT GOD IS FAITHFUL TO FORGIVE THOSE SINS..... NOW
PATRICK, ONCE YOU'VE GOTTEN SAVED YOU'LL NEED TO FIND A BIBLE BELIEVING
CHURCH AND GET BAPTIZED INTO THAT BELIEVING BODY.... AND THEN YOU CAN
SERVE GOD INSTEAD OF THE DEVIL... if
he can make you believe you are saved with a few spoken words and keep you
from knowing TRUE SALVATION, he has done his job!!!
NO THANK YOU PATRICK...
IF I WANT THE TRUTH I'LL GO TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE AND TRUST IN THE
GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD ME INTO ALL TRUTH.... I'M SORRY THAT
YOU'VE MISSED THE BOAT MY FRIEND AND I HOPE THAT I HAVEN'T FALLEN INTO THE
CATEGORY OF; UNCHARITABLE! For:
I Corinthians 13. 8, 13
8 Charity never faileth:
but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be
tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish
9 For we know in part,
and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which
is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I
spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when
I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see
through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but
then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth
faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Patrick, I guess It’s time for you to become a man and put away the
childish teachings. I’ll send this letter to my little flock and I’ll make
a page on the Jim Keeling Ministries site as well. I will however, remove
your last name and leave off your link to your site as I do not endorse web
sites which teach such atrocities against my Lord and Saviour, Jesus
Christ, as I’ve found there.
Thank you for writing
me, Patrick and I pray that this reply will be of some help to your lack
of understanding concerning Sound Bible Doctrine,,,
I Thank YOU for visiting with me... If you don't know my Jesus as your
personal Saviour but would like to, why not, in your own words, ask Jesus
to forgive you of your sins, acknowledge that you believe that Jesus was
born of a virgin, suffered and gave his life on that old cross, shedding
His pure blood as the ultimate sacrifice for you, and that on the third
day arose from the grave and is on the right hand of God the Father in
heaven both now and forever more. And then ask Jesus to come into your
heart and save your soul, writing your name in the Lambs Book of Life.. If
you have accepted Jesus today, that means that your are saved and born
again. You have been adopted into the family of God just like me... I am
then not only your friend but your brother in Christ. Please write and let
me know of that decision so that I might pray and rejoice with you…
May God Bless you, each and everyone. With Love, Jim