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Title: True Bible Doctrine vs. False     A letter from Patrick C. and my Reply

Greetings Little Flock,

This is a letter I received from a fellow who needs help.... I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ and will share it with you all. Perhaps it may help someone to understand why we need to know, what real Bible truth truly is.... Patrick's letter is in this format and blue color and my answer is in this brown format and color… (smile)    

Patrick, you wrote:

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Patrick C

To: <jimkeeling@jimkeelingministries.com>

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 4:40 AM

Subject: It's a HEAVEN or HELL thing!!!

 

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> I want to ask you a question, a serious question that is not meant to be sarcastic and is not being presented for debate, but presented to you out of love for you and your family and friends............did you know that NO one in the Bible ever prayed the "sinner's prayer" or "accepted Jesus as their personal saviour" or "asked Jesus into their heart" or repeated seven simple words for their initial salvation?

And what about this Philippian jailor for one?

Acts 16: 23, 32
23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
25 And at
midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go

Notice it was believe first and then baptism…
> IT'S NOT IN THE BIG BLACK BOOK, I HAVE READ IT!!! 
That is very commendable, reading the big black book, but I believe you need to read it again only this time try the true version. It’s called the 1611 King James Version…. The reason I know that your not reading the true version is because of your site’s opening page.   This is what I found…  Phillipians 1-20 "For I live in eager expectaion and hope that I will never do anything that causes me shame, but that I will always be BOLD for Christ.
21-For to me, living is Christ, and dying is even better.

How Radical Do you Wanna Be for Christ?

Well mister radical it should have read;

Philippians 1: 20
20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

And by the way you misspelled
Phillipians? Did that come from your Bible as you copied it or did you just type it in that way….


> There is NO sinner's prayer.........It's really not in there! Look and see! They did however believe, repent, confess Jesus and be immersed in water for the remission of their sins. (IN All NINE COVERSIONS)......
Well glory! At least this time you got the order correct. Believe, Repent, Confess, (right here goes the part; Ask Jesus to  forgive you your sins and to come into your heart and be the Lord of your life,  and all this in faith) and then comes the immersion and baptism part. Not for salvation but to show the world that you have by ensample been buried in Christ to be risen again in newness of life…. It is the first ordinance of a child of God….

Baptism is not a requirement for Salvation.
Like 23: 40, 46

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
((( And This was the thief’s sinner’s prayer…)))
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
(((And no water Baptism took place…)))
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

E-mail me for all of the scripture, if you would like them.  That’s Ok, you’d just send something from your perverted Bible which has changed the true meaning… I do hope that you took the time to read today’s thought entitled; “Departing from Truth”.
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> Did you know the sinner's prayer is a an innovation that thwarts God's plan of salvation?
HONK! Wrong here… First, they   ah hum, just who are they? Our church hasn’t replaced anything… replaced believer's baptism by immersion with infant baptism by sprinkling. Second they   Again who are they?  later replaced baptism altogether with the "sinner's prayer" so that baptism is no longer even part of the plan of salvation.

Well Glory! You finally made a true statement. Baptism isn’t a part of Salvation>>> Glory! You see Baptism was never a part of salvation after Christ fulfillment of scriptures.
John 1: 31, 34
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to
Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.


> Did you know if you prayed the "sinners prayer" for your salvation, you may be still lost in your sins, because it is not what God said to do?  
Oh, really? Let's see what Our Lord in the flesh had to say about the sinner’s prayer!

Mark1 14, 15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel

And in case your not familiar with the gospel of Christ it can be found in

I Corithians 15, 1, 4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
(((What is this saying here? By which also ye are saved. Could this mean that one is saved by the gospel?  Well Glory!  What a revelation…
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

So, why did someone (preacher/teacher/parent) lead you in a Sinner's Prayer, or teach you to lead someone else in it in the first place?

Yea, well tell that to the thief on the cross who got saved by the sinner's prayer.  And don't forget to not forget to ask God to forgive you this blasphemy letter you've sent today. If, I said IF you've ever been saved then you're forgiven but it is a shame that you can't trust in the blood of Christ which makes me believe that you've trusted in the water instead of the blood which makes hell an even more real place since your headed in that general direction... Listen, your ideas are sincere and you've been taught what your preaching but you really need to search more and find Christ so that you can hear the leading of the Holy Spirit.... You've mentioned in your letter about not having verses to back up my faith. WELL, Here are a few verses which in your radical mind must have over looked.

Romans 1: 16
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 3:23
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 5:12
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5: 8, 9
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 6: 23
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 10: 13
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Revelations 3: 20
[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Romans 10: 9, 10
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
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John 3: 16
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Yea check out that verse 9 and 10 of Romans 10  and vs. 13 just once more... That my friend is the sinners prayer or part.... The other part is repentance

Ephesians 2: 8, 10
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

hmmmmm it didn't say;     For by water baptism are you saved, did it?   Why NO!  And by the way baptism is a work. The very first work a saved person does when he becomes baptized into a local body of believers… But that is more doctrine you won’t understand…


> It's part of this world's doctrine "EASY BELIEVISM.....ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED/ 
Praise God in yet another true statement! For the Pure blood of Christ is what saves and it happens to be that that same pure blood is what keep you saved… Once you’re a child of the King your Heaven bound. Well Glory! Here are a few scriptures for you to look up. But please go to this site and look them up in the KJV Bible… http://www.justbible.com/index.htm  

I John 5: 13, 18--- Jude 24--- Romans 8: 5, 11---Heb. 10, 18---John 10: 27, 30---Eph. 1: 13--4: 30----Job 10: 7---Rom. 8: 9---Rom. 8: 35, 39---Jude 1: 24---I John 5: 9, 14---John 6: 67, 69---Psa. 97: 10---Rom. 6: 22, 23 ---I John 1: 8,  etc.,  etc., etc.,  etc. )

DO WHAT YOU WANT AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN.... Well here we go again. Yes,  you will go to heaven once you’ve been truly saved. Some claim to be Christian but aren’t. Now as for the carnal Christian, Well there is a punishment for your actions done in sin. It isn’t a get off scott free sort of thing your implying here… If you don’t mind my saying; I’m truly amazed at how many doctrines you’ve managed to screw up here in one letter…

Patrick, do you realize that you’re gonna be held accountable to God Almighty for the web site and the things, misguided and untruthful doctrines, you’re trying lay on folks who are unlearned or even babes in Christ… If your numbers are correct then you have 34,000 folks that you have misled and will stand before God for and answer for you preaching’s…  
 

Mathew 7: 13, 20

13

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
strait Luke 13:24
wide 1st John 5:19

14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
prophets Deut 13:3, Jer 23:16, Rom 16:17, Eph 5:6, Col 2:8, 2nd Pet 2:1, 1st John 4:1
sheep's Micah 3:5, 2 Tim 3:5
wolves Acts 20:29

16

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
fruits Luke 6:43

17

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
tree Jer 11:19

18

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
good Matt 12:33

19

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
hewn down Matt 3:10, Luke 3:9, Luke 13:7, Luke 13:9, John 15:6

20

 

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

And here is one verse just for you because I read enough that you belong to the, baptize in the name of Jesus only crowd…

Mathew 28: 18, 20

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


ETERNAL SECURITY VS. ETERNAL RESPONSIBILITY......mentality!!!! All a lie from the very pits of hell....
>
> That is what (address removed)  is trying to change, this HELL-BOUND attitude that today's preachers, teachers, evangelist, parents.... are blatantly passing on, with no biblical scripture to back it up............. 
OPPS BETTER GO BACK UP AND READ SOME OF THOSE SCRIPTURES TO BACK WHAT I’VE STATED,  AS YOU PUT IT. (SMILE) 
it does matter how you live, it does matter how you  believe,,,  I’LL AGREE THAT IT MATTERS WHAT YOU BELIEVE FOR WITHOUT BELIEF IN CHRIST A PERSON IS HEADED TO HELL... As for how we live I believe Paul adequately put it this way.

Romans 7: 14, 25---8; 1, 4

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

Romans 8; 1, 4

8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


it does matter if you believe in Jesus or not. At least we agree on that last sentence. It truly matters…  We at Radical for God WILL stand up for JESUS, HEAVEN and SALVATION!!  YOU MAY BE STANDING UP BUT NOT FOR THE TRUTH CONCERNING JESUS, HEAVEN, OR SALVATION. THEY SEEM TO BE JUST WORDS POPPING FROM YOUR KEYBOARD....
>
> It iss a Heavean or HELL  thing...play time is over devil. It's war!
YEA IT IS A WAR BUT YOU'VE SOMEHOW GOTTEN ON THE WRONG SIDE AND FOLLOWING THE TRICKS OF THE ONE YOU CLAIM TO BE AT WAR WITH... Bowing to Satan is not a war you are going to win.
>
> Look around at those so-called "saved people". How are they living, how are they talking, how are they walking? If your church is all about the almight $$$$$$$$, you'd better run and hide........
You have never seen on my church site or any part of the Jim Keeling Ministries anything begging for the almighty $$$$$$ and never will. God supplies my needs…  does your church look like the WORLD outside, dress like the world outside, listen to the same music as the world outside.
YEP, YOUR RIGHT THERE. LOOK AT ALL THE DEVIL CHURCHES CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES. THEY HAVE MONEY ALRIGHT ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN HAVING ENOUGH TO FINANCE YOUR CHURCH BUT THE WAY IT IS BEING USED. AND HOW DO THEY ACT? JUST AS YOU WOULD EXPECT FOLLOWERS OF SATAN TO ACT. WORLDLY. YOU AND MOST FOLKS LIKE YOU LOOK AT LOST FOLKS CLAIMING TO BE SAVED FOLKS AND MAKE JUDGMENTS NOT KNOWING WHAT YOUR JUDGING…

 

Mathew 7: 1, 6 

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

 

And I guess this next verse is how I feel concerning you. I’m afraid this lesson which has been made from your, how did you put it, not meant to be sarcastic, is going to fall upon deft ears….

 

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


>
> I will tell you this, the sinners prayer AND this easy believism mentality is the devil's greatest plan to snare you into a lie, he is the father of all lies.....
AND YOU SHOULD KNOW SINCE YOUR FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL.... and wants to take you and your family and friends to HELL with him......  AND IS GOING TO IF YOU DON'T FIND JESUS AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND ASK HIM TO FORGIVE YOU FOR SPREADING THESE FALSEHOODS AND FALSE RELIGION YOUR SPREADING. IF ANYONE NEEDS TO SAY THE SINNERS PRAYER IT IS PATRICK CONATY. YOU NEED TO TRUST IN THE PURE BLOOD OF CHRIST FOR YOUR SALVATION. THEN ASK JESUS TO FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS AND THEN ASK HIM TO COME INTO YOUR HEART AND LIVE... I ALSO HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU.... YOU'LL STILL IN SIN BECAUSE YOUR STILL IN YOUR FLESHLY BODY BUT GOD IS FAITHFUL TO FORGIVE THOSE SINS.....  NOW PATRICK, ONCE YOU'VE GOTTEN SAVED YOU'LL NEED TO FIND A BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH AND GET BAPTIZED INTO THAT BELIEVING BODY.... AND THEN YOU CAN SERVE GOD INSTEAD OF THE DEVIL...   if he can make you believe you are saved with a few spoken words and keep you from knowing TRUE SALVATION, he has done his job!!!
 

NO THANK YOU PATRICK... IF I WANT THE TRUTH I'LL GO TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE AND TRUST IN THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD ME INTO ALL TRUTH.... I'M SORRY THAT YOU'VE MISSED THE BOAT MY FRIEND AND I HOPE THAT I HAVEN'T FALLEN INTO THE CATEGORY OF; UNCHARITABLE! For:

I Corinthians 13. 8, 13

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.  

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 

 Well Patrick, I guess It’s time for you to become a man and put away the childish teachings. I’ll send this letter to my little flock and I’ll make a page on the Jim Keeling Ministries site as well. I will however, remove your last name and leave off your link to your site as I do not endorse web sites which teach such atrocities against my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, as I’ve found there.

Thank you for writing me, Patrick and I pray that this reply will be of some help to your lack of understanding concerning Sound Bible Doctrine,,,

Once again I Thank YOU for visiting with me... If you don't know my Jesus as your personal Saviour but would like to, why not, in your own words, ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins, acknowledge that you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, suffered and gave his life on that old cross, shedding His pure blood as the ultimate sacrifice for you, and that on the third day arose from the grave and is on the right hand of God the Father in heaven both now and forever more. And then ask Jesus to come into your heart and save your soul, writing your name in the Lambs Book of Life.. If you have accepted Jesus today, that means that your are saved and born again. You have been adopted into the family of God just like me... I am then not only your friend but your brother in Christ. Please write and let me know of that decision so that I might pray and rejoice with you…
May God Bless you, each and everyone. With Love, Jim

 

Sincerely,

Jim Keeling

www.jimkeelingministries.com

     

 

 

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