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Greetings Little Flock,

My, My, My, but this is going to be one of those letters. So if you are easily offended by the truth of God’s Word then I  suggest that you don’t even sneak a tiny peek at this letter which I guarantee shall be just a T-e-e-e-n-y,  W-e-e-n-y bit Looooonnnngggg.. (smile)  I’ve already been on this ole computer for awhile today so this may take several days to complete but then you’ll not realize that until it hits the airways…  

Some of you old timers who can remember back thru the years know that when someone jumps into my pocket that this ole preacher man climbs right in there with them… And you old timers will probably remember that I’m not afraid to be sorry if I’m wrong about something… I hate it but can humbly beg for forgiveness but only if I’m wrong. However in this case I do believe I’ve understood my KJV Bible correctly and with that and the guidance of the Holy Spirit shall set these ole hens in the hen house where they should have stayed in the first place… Before you chickens begin crowing you might need to check your gender… (smile) I’m going to try and do this as pleasantly as possible…

I Timothy 2 11, 12

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Just so we understand this usurp word ladies, I looked it up for you.

Main Entry: usurp
Pronunciation: yu-'s&rp also -'z&rp
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French usurper, from Latin usurpare to take possession of without legal claim, from usually (ablative of usus use) + rapere to seize -- more at RAPID
transitive senses
1 a : to seize and hold (as office, place, or powers) in possession by force or without right <usurp a throne> b : to take or make use of without right <usurped the rights to her life story>
2 : to take the place of by or as if by force : SUPPLANT <must not let stock responses based on inherited prejudice usurp careful judgment>
intransitive senses : to seize or exercise authority or possession wrongfully

I need to put a note right here;

I have several women in my little flock who claim to be preachers and we get along just fine. For the most part they have never been disrespectful and I appreciate that and try to limit my teachings so as not to offend them as long as I can align it to God’s Word. But I guess there are times we must stand on scripture alone and this is one of those times as related in one of the famous 3:16’s of the Bible.

 II Tim. 3: 16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

And before I start, Patsy, you should have known better because you’ve been with me for at least a year, perhaps longer... Hmmm This doesn’t say much for my online preaching, does it? OR You haven’t looked at my web sites and checked out the Bible doctrine section… Now Brenna on the other hand is relatively new and it appears that she doesn’t know any better. Must have been that liberal woman’s upbringing from somewhere… Probably from one of those female claiming to be “preachers”… the feminist movement? I do know that Brenna mustn’t have looked at my web sites or the questions she asks would have been answered for her… But sometimes it is easier to cluck, cluck, cluck around the ole barn yard than to be in the hen house laying eggs like your supposed to be doing… (smile) Or in the human sense sitting in church and listening to the (MAN OF GOD) preacher showing thru the word of God; The Biblical Position on Women’s Roles…

Ouch! I can feel the pain already because I have many, many “ women preachers ” on my mailing list. And yea, I do expect to have less after this letter hits the mail box. I do regret that and am sorry if this hits some toes… I’m not aiming for the foot but for the heart… But then Jesus had a problem when the truth was spoken by Him and that was 2000 years ago.  And by the way folks, I use a lot of Bible in my letters such as this one so be prepared to read God’s word. For it isn’t what I think or know or what you think or know or even think you know but what God says it to be…

John 6: 59, 70

Jesus is speaking here.

[59] These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

[60] Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

[61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

[62] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

[64] But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

[65] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

[66] From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

[67] Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

[68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

[69] And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

[70] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

And so the first thing we see is that Jesus lost many of His following that day…

 And don’t you fellas go to snickering either…. If it weren’t for a bunch of lazy men sitting on their duffs instead of doing the things God has laid out for them to do and seeing to God’s business instead of letting their wives do it for them we wouldn’t be in this mess to start with… And it hasn’t happened over night either but we’re reaping the sowing of our forefathers. Christians and I’m talking both men and women do not ‘want to’ or just to ‘contrary to’ follow the guideline roles God has laid out for them to follow. Consequently, men no longer know their roles and women do not know their roles and children and the family unit have suffered.

God has and is being ripped right out from under our feet and Christians have voted for it to happen here in America… This country has turned her back on God again and again this didn’t happen over night. It started back in the late 1800’s and that is some history for you my little sister… But were getting off track so let’s address these letters so I may get them sent out before removing these two from my list… This will be the last ditch letter for several I’m afraid unless the Holy Spirit opens some eyes today and my prayer is to this end… And now here are the letters sent to me… And yea, I always place the letters in question in my answers… I’m not afraid to lay my cards on the table but I’ll not reveal the last name so as not to embarrass them any more than they themselves already have… (My answers will be in blue and not italics.

 

Well sir, you need to research your bible more(Yes I agree with you here but then don’t wee all?) Do you even know any bible history? (It so happens I have several books concerning Bible History in my library and would be delighted to have you come by and read them so you might better know of what you spout.) There were many women prophetesses in the bible. Many women preachers. I believe you refer to Romans 16 but as I read my KJV I did not see them referred to as preachers but helpers. Maybe there isn’t a difference in those two words. But we’ll touch on that in a little while in our lesson.  (smile)) When Paul spoke of the women being silent in the church, do you even know what was going on??  ( Why Certainly, Some big mouthed women were doing what they do best) Do some studying. (Ok I shall and you as well. As a matter of fact let’s start right now, shall we?  I’ve read all of this. Tag you it; now you read the lesson…) They were having a MEETING in the chruch and the women kept yelling over to the men asking what was going on, and so Paul wrote the words that women are to be silent. That was for the church meetings sir.

What kind of chruch do you go to? Do you even go to chruch? (Well once more you fit into the category of; open mouth, insert foot, in your case, both feet, and chew... No, I don’t attend church very often. It so happens that I am totally disabled and unable to attend as I used to. Never missed. But then you would have known that had you taken the time to read my testimonies found on the Heaven Bound site. Also and again had you noticed; My Church affiliation is with the Allegre Missionary Baptist Church of which I am their representative in the capacity of missionary, (also found on the Heaven bound site under the Missionary page and the Allegre Missionary Baptist Church site.)  duly licensed and accredited. And I am considered the online pastor and under-sheppard of the Jim Keeling Ministries which have over 550+ members, at least at this point in time… 

You are very judgemental against women. ( Actually I prefer to refer to it as being a fruit inspector and some of the fruit I’ve inspected is quite rotten but I’ll pray for you to do better. ((smile)) Are you gay?    ( I see that you not only do not understand your role as a woman but that you have joined the politically correct crowd as well… No, I haven’t joined the ranks of the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd of BEING QUEER… As a matter of fact I will have been married to my Christian wife of 41 years this coming Feb. 15. And by the way, my godly wife of Prov. 31 wouldn’t sit under the preaching of a woman either. Just ask her..   To be so outright blasting of woman is so wrong of you and you will have to answer to God for that. I pity you. (please save your pity for yourself. You need it more.

Brenna

 

Please remove me from your mailing list.

I was offended by your comments in your last newsletter about women and their role in the church.  I feel you took the scripture out of its context and did not really clarify Paul's reason for saying that about women.  And your comments directed to Barbara S. were totally uncalled for in a newsletter going to "your little flock."

Patsy ____

I am sorry about the offence, Pasty… Perhaps this lesson will help you to grow.

Well My Goodness, now that we’ve led up to the actual lesson of this letter let us begin. I believe I’ll use this by John Macarthur because it is done sweetly and conveys the message.  Another study which I have found true and enjoyed may be found here; http://www.carm.org/questions/womenpastors2.htm  It is much too lengthy to put on here along with this study. I pray that this study is accompanied by the Holy Spirit as he leads you, (men and women) into all truth. Amen.

 

The Biblical Position on Women's Roles

 

The feminist movement of the twentieth century has assaulted traditional Christian values for women, and the result has been a revolution in our country. Whereas women traditionally fulfilled support roles and gained their greatest joy and sense of accomplishment from being wives and mothers, today many have abandoned their homes for the higher-paying and supposedly more prestigious jobs of the work force outside the home. Traditional sexual morality has given way to promiscuity with women often in the role of aggressor. Gentle, quiet women have become self-assertive and hostile, boldly demanding their "rights." Divorce is rampant, with women frequently initiating separation and divorces.

 

As if the secular feminist movement does not generate enough confusion for women today, there has arisen a fast-growing group who refer to themselves as “biblical feminists." This movement, which includes both men and women of varying theological perspectives, espouses most of the causes of the secular movement while seeking to find their justification in Scripture.

 

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?

 

As Christians, our desire is to examine the Scripture as carefully as possible in order to know God's will and obey it. We believe in the authority and inerrancy of the Word of God and are confident that it has a clear message for women today. Only the Bible can offer a final solution to the chaos and confusion with which modern women are confronted.

 

The Old Testament and Women

 

In the creation account of Genesis 1 we find God's first word on the subject of men and women (verse 27)--they were both equally created in the image of God. Neither received more of the image of God than the other. So the Bible begins with the equality of the sexes. As persons, as human beings, as spiritual beings, standing before God, men and women are absolutely equal.

 

Despite this equality, there is in Genesis 2 a more detailed account of the creation of the two humans which show some differences in their God-given responsibilities. God did not create the man and woman spontaneously at the same time, but rather He created Adam first and Eve later for the specific purpose of being a helper to Adam. Though Eve was Adam's equal, she was given a role to fulfill in submitting to him. While the word "helper" carries very positive connotations, even being used of God Himself as the helper of Israel (Deut. 33:7, Ps. 33:20), it still describes one in a relationship of service to another.

 

When craftily tempted in the Garden of Eden, Eve, rather than seeking Adam's counsel or leadership, took the lead herself, eating of the forbidden fruit and then leading her husband into sin (Gen. 3:6). Because Adam and Eve sinned in disobedience to the command of God, there followed certain consequences for them and also for the serpent (Gen. 3:14-19). For the woman, God pronounced a curse which included multiplied pain in childbirth and tension in the authority-submission relationship of the husband and wife. Genesis 3:16 says the woman's "desire" will be for her husband but he shall "rule" over her. In Genesis 4:7 the author uses the same word "desire" to mean "excessive control over." Thus, the curse in Genesis 3:16 refers to a new desire on the part of the woman to exercise control over her husband--but he will in fact rule or exert authority over her. The result down through history has been an ongoing struggle between the sexes--with women seeking control and men ruling instead, often harshly. Before the fall and the curse there was true harmony in the husband-wife relationship, but through the curse a new element of tension and dissension entered into the marriage relationship.

 

It is significant to note that the responsibility of wives to submit to their husbands was part of God's plan even before the curse. Feminists often dispute this, viewing submission as something which came in through the curse and which should be eliminated through the cross of Jesus Christ (just as we seek to relieve the pain of childbirth through drugs and breathing techniques, and as we seek to ease the toil of the field through modern technology, even including air-conditioned tractors). But since a careful reading of Genesis 2:18-25 shows that God created the woman to support her husband an be a suitable companion to him, we do not erase woman's submission in marriage through the cross but rather we add harmony to the relationship.

 

Thus, the Bible begins by establishing both the equality of men and women and also the support role of the wife. Many other Old Testament passages support these two themes of equality and submission for women (i.e., Ex. 21:15, 17, 28-31; Num. 6:2; 5:19, 20, 29; 30:1-16).

 

Women were active in the religious life of Israel throughout the Old Testament, but generally they were not leaders--with a few exceptions. Women like Deborah (Jud. 4), however, clearly were the exception and not the rule. In fact, Isaiah 3:12 in its context of God's judgment on unbelieving and disobedient Israel indicates that God allowed weak leaders, either masculine women or effeminate men, to rule as a part of His judgment on the sinning nation.

 

 

Jesus and Women

 

When we begin to look at women in the New Testament, the first thing we observe is how Jesus spent time with women and apparently enjoyed their companionship--in stark contrast to other men of His day. In the midst of the Greek, Roman and Jewish cultures, which viewed women almost on the level with possessions, Jesus showed love and respect for women.

 

Though Jewish rabbis did not teach women, Jesus not only included women in His audiences but used illustrations and images in His teaching which would be familiar to them (Matt. 13:33, 22:1-2; 24:41; Lk. 15:8-10). He also specifically applied His teachings to women (Matt. 10:34f).

 

While the Jewish Talmud said it was better to burn the Torah than teach it to a woman, Jesus taught women freely. To the Samaritan woman at the well (Jn. 4), He revealed that He was the Messiah. With her He also discussed such important topics as eternal life and the nature of true worship. Jesus never took the position that women, by their very nature, could not understand spiritual or theological truth. He also taught Mary and, when admonished by Martha, pointed out the priority of learning spiritual truth even over "womanly" responsibilities like serving guests in one's home (Lk. 10:38-42).

 

Though men in Jesus' day normally would not allow women to count change into their hands for fear of physical contact, Jesus touched women to heal them and allowed women to touch Him (Lk. 13:10f; Mk. 5:25f). Jesus even allowed a small group of women to travel with Him and His disciples (Lk. 8:1-3)--"an unprecedented happening in the history of that time," said one commentator.

 

After His resurrection, Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene and sent her to announce His resurrection to the disciples (Jn. 20:1-18). Jesus did this despite the fact that women were not allowed to be witnesses in Jewish courts because they were all believed to be liars.

 

In Jesus' treatment of women we see how He raised their station in life and how He showed them compassion and respect in a way that they had never known before. But Jesus still did not exalt women to a place of leadership over men. None of the Twelve he selected were women. Even at the cross where most of the men had fled and the women remained faithful, Jesus did not dismiss His male disciples and replace them with women. And Jesus made a radical break with His culture in so many ways that surely He would have done it in this way also if it had been God's will. Jesus, in His treatment of women, demonstrated their equality and worth as persons, but He did not promote them to positions of leadership over men.

 

 

The Epistles and Women

 

In the Epistles we discover the same two principles side by side--both equality and submission for women. Galatians 3:28 points us to the equality, indicating that the way of salvation is the same for both men and women and that they are members of equal standing in the body of Christ. It does not, however, eradicate all differences in responsibilities for men and women since this passage does not cover every aspect of God's design for male and female and since Paul makes clear distinctions in other passages he wrote.

 

The passages which instruct us about spiritual gifts also make no distinctions according to sex. And most Scriptural exhortations to Christian growth and behavior are directed to men and women alike (i.e., I Pet. 2:1-3; Heb. 4:16; 6:1; Eph. 5:18; Gal. 5:16; Phil. 2:1-5).

 

However, throughout the New Testament and alongside these passages on equality are also passages which make distinctions between what God desires of men and what He desires of women, especially within marriage and within the church.

 

 

The Family

 

While Christian marriage is to involve mutual love and submission between two believers (Eph. 5:21), the New Testament, in four separate passages, expressly gives to the wives the responsibility to submit to their husbands (Eph. 5:22; Col. 3:18; I Pet. 3:1; Ti. 2:5). This is the voluntary submission of one equal to another out of love for God and a desire to follow His design in His Word. It is never pictured as groveling or in any way diminishing the wife's worth as a person, but rather the husband is called upon to love his wife sacrificially as Christ loved the church (Eph. 5:25).

 

The biblical picture is of a union filled with love and harmony where both partners are submitting to one another, where both lovingly sacrifice for the best interest of the other and where the husband is the leader in a relationship of two equals.

 

While husbands and fathers have been given primary responsibility for the leadership of their families including their children (Eph. 6:4; Col. 3:21; I Tim. 3:4-5), wives and mothers are urged to be "workers at home" (Ti. 2:5), meaning managers of households. Their home and their children are to be their priority--in contrast to the feminist emphasis today on careers and jobs for women outside the home.

 

The biblical pattern for raising and instructing children in God's truths was established in Deuteronomy 6 where children are to be taught by parents "when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up." Parents are responsible for the spiritual education of their children, and mothers who work full-time outside their homes usually lack the quality time to instruct their children adequately. Nor can the responsibility for this instruction simply be transferred to someone else. While feminists emphasize that women should seek their own self-fulfillment at all costs, the Bible urges Christian women to be humble, to sacrifice their own needs to meet the needs of others, to do what is best for their children, trusting that God will meet their needs in the process.

 

 

The Church

 

From the very beginning of the Christian church women fulfilled a vital role (Acts 1:12-14; 9:36-42; 16:13-15; 17:1-4, 10-12; 18:1-2, 18, 24-28; Rom. 16; I Cor. 16:19; II Tim. 1:5; 4:19). Women played an important role in the church from earliest days but not a leading role. The incarnation was in a Man, the apostles were all men, the chief missionary activity was done by men, the writing of the New Testament was the work of men (though some feminists would have us believe Priscilla wrote the Book of Hebrews), and generally leadership in the churches was entrusted to men. Still, women had a prominence and dignity in the early propagation and expansion of the gospel that they did not have in Judaism or the heathen world.

 

While the Apostle Paul respected women and worked side by side with them for the furtherance of the gospel (Rom. 16; Phil. 4:3), he appointed no women elders or pastors. In his epistles, as he wrote instructions to the churches, he urged that men were to be the leaders and that women were not to teach or exercise authority over men (I Tim 2:12).

 

The ministry of women is essential to the body of Christ, but the New Testament gives no basis for women becoming pastors or elders. While women are spiritual equals with men, they are excluded from leadership over men in the church. The New Testament finds no conflict here though twentieth century feminists insist that these principles contradict one another.

 

The Apostle Paul is completely consistent with Jesus in regard to women. Paul had a high regard for women and shared his labors for the gospel with many of them. But, like Jesus, he never appointed them to positions of authority over men in the home or the church. As active as women were in the early church, nowhere did Paul ordain them as elders.

 

 

WHERE THE FEMINISTS GO WRONG!

 

If more Christians understood the methods of feminist thinking and what kind of biblical interpretation they must do in order to arrive at their conclusions, they would likely be more hesitant to accept the feminist position. To understand the feminist interpretation process, we begin by examining their view of Galatians 3:28 and how their interpretation of that verse affects their interpretation of the rest of the New Testament.

 

FEMINIST VIEW OF GALATIANS 3:28 - The foundation for all feminist interpretation of the New Testament is Galatians 3:28--"Their is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Feminists interpret this verse to refer to an equality which is both theological, regarding men and women’s standing before God, and also social, regarding all of their relationships in day-to-day living. If men and women are equal before God, feminists say, then there can be no differences within their roles and responsibilities in society. Feminists therefore use this verse as the basis for the elimination of all role distinctions between men and women in Christianity. They then interpret all other New Testament verses on women in light of the feminist understanding of Galatians 3:28, thus demanding that no other verse be allowed to teach role distinctions for men and women.

 

PROBLEM WITH FEMINIST VIEW OF GALATIANS 3:28 - Feminists fail to interpret Galatians 3:28 in its proper context. The verse concerns the subject of justification and the believer's relationship to the Abrahamic covenant. Paul was not seeking to establish social equality in the relationships he mentioned. Rather, he was showing that all, regardless of their standing in society, may participate by faith in the inheritance of Abraham to be sons of God. He was teaching the fundamental equality of both men and women in their standing before God. Even the feminists emphasize that this is a theological passage rather than one dealing with practical matters.

 

Equality of being before God does not require the elimination of all role distinctions in society. Equality of being does not rule out authority and submission in relationships. We could point to many examples of relationships in which there is equality and yet a difference in roles involving authority and submission--the Trinity, the President and U. S. citizens, parents and children, employers and employees, Elders and church members.

 

The theology of Galatians 3:28 will result in certain social implications, but they will be the ones given in the Bible. Where authority and submission are discussed in relationships in the New Testament, instructions are given for how those relationships may be regulated so that they function in Christian love and harmony and not with abuse. The Bible does not eliminate authority but cautions that authority should be exercised in a way that honors Christ. Those in authority (husbands, Elders, parents, employers) are instructed to use their authority in a godly way. And also, those who are to submit to these authorities (wives, church members, children, employees) are instructed to submit to authority in a godly way.

 

Because feminists want to rule out the submission of wives to husbands and of women to male leadership in the church on the basis of Galatians 3:28, they face a serious problem in biblical interpretation when they come to the Pauline passages which explicitly teach the submission of wives to husbands and women to the male leadership in the church. Beginning with their interpretation of Galatians 3:28 that all role distinctions must be abolished in the name of equality, they seek to interpret these other Pauline passages (Eph. 5:22; Col. 3:18; I Pet. 3:1; Ti. 2:5; I Tim 2:11-15; I Cor. 11:1-16; I Cor. 14:34-35) in light of that questionable interpretation of Galatians 3:28. Feminists of various persuasions have come up with four different ways of handling this biblical material in order to reach conclusions favorable to the feminist viewpoint:

 

FEMINIST VIEW #1 - The New Testament passages which teach the submission of women were not really written by Paul but were added by scribes, and thus are not part of the inspired Word of God.

 

PROBLEM WITH VIEW #1 - This position reveals a low view of the inspiration of Scripture. According to this view, some of the Bible was inspired by God and some was not. Therefore, the Christian, rather than submitting to Scripture, must function as the judge of Scripture--always making decisions about what is inspired and what is not inspired. Both II Timothy 3:16 and II Peter 1:20-21 indicate that God inspired all Scripture, that he was overseeing the process of the writing of Scripture in such a way that the end product is His Word, not the product of human authors. Thus, the Christian views all of the Bible as God's inspired Word and does not set himself as judge of the Bible.

 

FEMINIST VIEW #2 - The New Testament passages which teach the submission of women were written by Paul, but he was wrong. Those who hold this view believe Paul was too much influenced by his rabbinical background and that in his writing of Scripture he had not reached a full understanding of how the gospel related to relationships between men and women. Thus, he was mistaken in some of the passages he wrote.

 

PROBLEM WITH VIEW #2 - This position is also based on a low view of the inspiration of Scripture. In this view, too, the Christian must become the judge of Scripture to determine for himself what is correct and what is incorrect. This view assumes that twentieth century man has a better understanding of God's truth than did the Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Again, II Timothy 3:16 and II Peter 1:20-21 indicate that God worked in and through the writers of Scripture in such a way that the end product was God's perfect Word and not a conglomeration of truth and error put together by human authors.

 

FEMINIST VIEW #3 - The New Testament teaches the submission of women, but the teachings are no longer applicable in the twentieth century. According to this view, Paul was teaching the world view of his own culture in the first century, but our twentieth century culture is more enlightened about the equality of men and women, so the teaching no longer applies. Or sometimes it is said that writers of the New Testament knew that the ideal was to abolish all gender-based roles but feared to hinder the gospel if they broke so radically with their own culture. Thus, these Pauline passages are relegated to temporary cultural truth rather than universal truth for all cultures and all times.

 

PROBLEM WITH VIEW #3 - The foundation for Paul's teaching on the role or responsibilities of women is never the culture of his own day but rather the purpose of woman's creation and the woman's failure in the fall as Paul points out in I Corinthians 11:1-9 and I Timothy 2:8-15. Adam was created first, and Eve was later created as a helper for him rather than their being created simultaneously and independent of each other. Eve was deceived and led her husband into sin rather than submitting to his leadership. If the reason for the woman's submission is related to the creation and the fall, than it is not something which can change from year to year and culture to culture. Rather, it is a universal principle.

 

Some feminists say that there was no submission for the woman in creation but only as a result of the fall, that Genesis 3:16 was the beginning of authority and submission. But Genesis 2:18-25 teaches a submissive role for Eve in relationship to Adam, and Paul interprets it that way in the New Testament. Thus, the cross does not rid us of authority and submission, but it brings harmony to authority and submission relationships.

 

FEMINIST VIEW #4 - The New Testament, if rightly understood, has never taught the submission of women. If the literary context, the historical context and the theological context were carefully studied, Paul would be clearly seen to be egalitarian, and thus the New Testament teaches that women may fulfill any responsibilities in the marriage and the church that men may fulfill. Thus, “headship" means only "source" and never "leader" or "authority." "Be subject" means only "relate yourselves to" or "respond to" or "adjust yourselves to" and never "submit to."

 

PROBLEM WITH VIEW #4 - In these last two views the confusion among the various feminist representives comes to the surface. Both groups read these same passages, and some say they teach submission and others say they do not.

 

Greek lexicons include "authority" as one of the meanings for "head" and "submit" as one of the meanings for "be subject" so that only prejudicial interpretation could limit these words to pro-feminist definitions. This last view is so unconvincing that other feminists even reject it.

 

Feminist Gymnastics

 

If one wants to arrive at pro-feminist conclusions, there are a limited number of ways to interpret the biblical context in order to reach such a position. These four are the alternatives which feminists have devised thus far.

 

Each alternative has serious flaws which cause the Christian, in the process of feminist interpretation, to sacrifice either a high view of inspiration of Scripture or else to use a false hermeneutic, or principle for interpreting Scripture. Either is too high a price to pay. All of these exegetical gymnastics become necessary just to force the Pauline passages to harmonize with the feminist interpretation of Galatians 3:28. If Galatians 3:28 were interpreted correctly in context to refer to the fundamental standing of men and women before God, and if the feminists did not totally reject any concept of authority and submission, harmony of all the biblical material on the subject would be rather simple.

 

HOW WOMEN GLORIFY GOD

 

Men and women stand as equals before God, both bearing the image of God Himself. Yet, without making one inferior to the other. God calls upon both men and women to fulfill roles and responsibilities designed specially for them in certain situations. In fulfilling those God-given roles taught in the New Testament, women are not limited. They are reaching their fullest potential because they are following the plan of their own Creator and Designer. Only in obedience to Him and in His design will women truly be able, in the fullest sense, to give glory to God (I Cor. 10:31).

Here is another study which might enlighten some…   by Terry Watkins.  This is concerning the Bible which the feminist use to back their non playing God given rolls in life… This is an older study and I’m not sure it is still available on their site but I’ve placed the address for you all to check it out… I had this saved for several years now…

 

 

TNIV & MAN

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Terry Watkins  Dial-the-Truth Ministries    http://www.av1611.org/ 

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And I sought for a man among them,

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Ezekiel 22:30

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Since the 60's the radical feminists have been screaming and whining that sexist, male chauvinist word 'man' has just got to go. Today, we no longer have a postman, but a letter carrier; the policeman is now a police officer; the businessman is a businessperson; a fireman is a firefighter; our garbage man is a garbage collector, chairman is a chairperson, on and on. We've just got to divorce that mean ol' sexist (pig) 'man'. He has got to go. It's gotten so bad, some have suggested renaming the city of Manchester into Personchester.

(And for you feminist who want women to be pastors (pastorettes) this TNIV Satanic bible is just for you. Run out and buy one. Then we can listen to all your babble. Well excuss me, that is - not me. I'm a Man - now get this, this is going to hurt some of you - a real man!  As a real man of God, I choose not to dishonor God Almighty and never  ever will I sit under a woman teaching the Bible or listen to all those women teaching false doctrine on TV or Radio while trying to teach men a thing or two.

All you so called males with doctorate degrees and sissy scholars who helped the feminist poorly translate this TNIV can, as far as I'm concerned, throw your degrees in the commode.)

For over 500 years, the words 'man’ and ‘mankind’ were terms that neatly referenced the whole family - mom, dad, son, daughter, boy, girl, baby – it was simple. And it was effective. But today, thanks to the whining militant feminists, 'man' is quickly becoming an endangered species.

And the TNIV-NIV-NIVI translators are certainly helping the cause. . .

The TNIV web site describes their "man-removal" operation:

"Where the NIV previously used 'he,' 'man,' or 'men' to indicate all people, the TNIV, in many cases, renders these passages as 'person,' 'people' or other terminology that reflects the meaning of the original language."

(TNIV: Clarity in Contemporary English, www.tniv.info/story/clarity.php)

When the TNIV translators say, "in many cases" they aren't kidding! The TNIV exorcises that mean, ol' nasty, 'man' over 550 times [compared to the King James Bible] . Over 44% of the 'man' have been booted out of the TNIV. And 'mankind' – he just doesn't exist.

And guess what? The "original" NIV removes ‘man’ over 690 times!

What do they do with ‘Mr. man'?

Mr. man is traded for the neuter "one, you, everyone, anyone, people, person, self, etc." Or sometimes the TNIV just swallows up mean ol' man in the sentence structure. But someway, somehow, some word, any word, any way. . . just find a way – that 'man' has got to go 

Many times the end result of eliminating Mr. Man is down right hilarious. . . Some times it’s pure idiotic. . . And other times it’s just simply dumb. . . and dumber

The Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 4:19 (and also Mark 1:17) calls out Simon Peter and his brother Andrew with the famous "fishers of men" soulwinners call:.

The KJB reads in Matthew 4:19

And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

But in the silly, feminist, TNIV the Lord Jesus is not calling out "fishers of men" but to "catch people". The charming soulwinner’s "fishers of men" is now perverted into a disgusting, slave-traders "catch people". Just to rid ‘men’ from the verse.

The TNIV distorts Matthew 4:19 (see also Mark 1:17):

"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will send you out to catch people."

NOTE: The TNIV and NIV are infatuated with slavery. The barbaric, racist and insensitive word "slave" is 58 times in the TNIV and over 100 times in the original NIV.

Now, where is the Rev. Jesse Jackson when we could really use him?

Here’s a few more laughs . . . uh. . . I mean verses. .

2 Corinthians 4:16, KJB:

For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

2 Corinthians 4:16, TNIV:

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

NOTE: 2 Corinthians 4:16 is a description of the battle between the two natures. The new spiritual (inward man) and the old flesh (outward man). The TNIV makes the verse sound like some kind of bizarre human combustion "outwardly we are wasting away". Weird. . . The things they’ll do to get rid of "Mr. Man". Where in the world did they dig up such a goofy reading? From the "original" NIV . . . It reads the same.

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1 Corinthians 3:17, KJB:

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 3:17, TNIV:

If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

NOTE: The word ‘together’ has no basis in the Greek text. The verse is clearly referring to an ‘individual’ [any man], the TNIV changes the verse from an individual to a group, church, commune – ‘you together’. The TNIV teaches a false doctrine. The "original" NIV also removes ‘man’ from 1 Corinthians 3:17.

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1 Corinthians 15:45, KJB:

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45, TNIV:

So it is written: "The first Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NOTE: ‘man’ in reference to Adam is removed, despite the Greek word ‘anthropos’ is in the text. Also soul is changed to being.

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This kind of absurd, babble is performed by the TNIV-NIV translators hundreds of times.

Besides the re-wording of man being pure silly, bizarre and completely unnecessary – in many cases, it is a deliberate, intentional, mis-translation.

There are six words in the Greek text translated ‘man’; oudeis, teleios, arren (or arsen), tis, anthropos, and aner.

While the Greek words oudeis, teleios, arren (or arsen), tis, and possibly anthropos can carry ‘neuter’ meanings, the Greek word ‘aner’ can not. It is strictly male, masculine, ‘macho-macho’, man. It has no other alternative.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words says of ‘aner’:

"aner is never used of the female sex; it stands in distinction from a woman,"

(Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, 1985, p. 389)

The comprehensive Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich-Danker Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature defines ‘aner’ as:

"man: In contrast to woman. . . "

(Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich-Danker, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, p 66)

The Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon, says of ‘aner’:

"Man, opposed to woman."

(Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon, p. 138)

Dr. Wayne Grudem, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Biblical and Systematic Theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, writes concerning the Liddell-Scott definition for ‘aner’:

"The standard reference work, the Liddell-Scott Lexicon for all of ancient Greek, gives no meaning "person," but only "man, husband," and some specific variations on those. This is very significant because aner is not a rare word: it is extremely common in Greek. Thousands upon thousands of examples of it are found in Greek from the 8th century BC (Homer) onward. If any meaning "person" existed, scholars would have found many clear examples centuries ago."

(Dr. Wayne Grudem, "Can Greek aner ("man") sometimes mean "person"? No", www.cbmw.org/resources/tniv/aner.html)

Now with that kind of hard-evidence (. . .like that really matters to the TNIV-NIV-NIVI crew) what ‘magic-disappearing-act’ will the TNIV perform on the man-only ‘aner’?

They magically transform the "masculine ever-only" aner into "people, believers, friends, terrorists, them, who, those, mature, our, someone, et al" and many times they just completely ignore ‘aner’. Over 54 times they change or drop ‘aner’ from the text. The ‘original’ NIV also changes or removes ‘aner’ 29 times.

Some examples where ‘aner’ is mistranslated:

Acts 20:30, KJB:

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Acts 20:30, TNIV:

Even from your own number some will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

NOTE: The context of Acts 20:30 are the "elders of the church" at Ephesus. Verse 17 reads, "And from Miletus he [Paul] sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church" The TNIV distorts aner to the neuter ‘some’ implying women were among the elders of the church. Now, that ought to make the radical, feminists, and Hillary shout for joy.

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Matthew 12:41, KJB:

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 12:41, TNIV:

The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.

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Acts 19:35, KJB:

And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

Acts 19:35, TNIV:

The city clerk quieted the crowd and said: "People of Ephesus, doesn’t all the world know that the city of Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of her image, which fell from heaven?

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Acts 21:38, KJB:

Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

Acts 21:38, TNIV:

"Aren’t you the Egyptian who started a revolt and led four thousand terrorists out into the desert some time ago?"

NOTE: How in the world they get ‘terrorists’ from aner beats me. Sounds like something Osama Bin Laden would dream up. P.S. This little ‘beauty; is also in the ‘original’ NIV.

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Acts 23:21, KJB

But do not thou yield unto them: for there lie in wait for him of them more than forty men, which have bound themselves with an oath, that they will neither eat nor drink till they have killed him: and now are they ready, looking for a promise from thee.

Acts 23:21, TNIV

Don’t give in to them, because more than forty of them are waiting in ambush for him. They have taken an oath not to eat or drink until they have killed him. They are ready now, waiting for your consent to their request."

NOTE: Why didn’t they just translate it "forty men" as the Greek text [aner] reads? Do the feminists really want to be included in this bloodthirsty mob? Oh yea, this ‘cutie’ is also in the ‘original’ NIV . . . Like mother. . . like daughter. .

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Acts 25:24, KJB

And Festus said, King Agrippa, and all men which are here present with us, ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem, and also here, crying that he ought not to live any longer.

Acts 25:24, TNIV:

Festus said: "King Agrippa, and all who are present with us, you see this man! The whole Jewish community has petitioned me about him in Jerusalem and here in Caesarea, shouting that he ought not to live any longer.

NOTE: The ‘men’ present in Acts 25:24 are defined as ". . . the chief captains, and principal men of the city. . ." in verse 23. Oh did I fail to mention. . . this little ‘babe’ is also in mamma ‘original’ NIV.

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Romans 4:8, KJB

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Romans 4:8, TNIV

Blessed are those whose sin the Lord will never count against them."

NOTE: In order for the TNIV mis-translators to ‘neuter’ Romans 4:8, they must intentionally and incorrectly distort the subject and verb to plural. I don’t guess it matters to the TNIV group that Romans 4:8 is a quote of Psalm 32:2 referring to the MAN David, "Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, . . . "

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Ephesians 4:13, KJB

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13, TNIV

until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

NOTE: I’m scratching my head on this one. . . Somehow the TNIV mis-translation from a ‘perfect man’ to ‘become mature’ lacks a little something – like the truth. ‘Become mature’ and ‘a perfect man’ is about as far apart as you can get. Guess what? Mamma (‘original’ NIV) ‘birthed’ this baby also.

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In the following five verses in James; 1:8, 1:12, 1:20, 1:23, 3:2, the TNIV translators change the complete sentence structure from singular to plural, from masculine to neuter and ignore the singular-masculine Greek [aner-man-only] text. Why? Just to get rid of ‘man’. In every case the ‘masculine-only’ Greek word, ‘aner’ is intentionally mis-translated.

James 1:8, KJB

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

James 1:8, TNIV

they are double-minded and unstable in all they do.

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James 1:12, KJB

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:12, TNIV

Blessed are those who persevere under trial, because when they have stood the test, they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

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James 1:20, KJB

For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

 

James 1:20, TNIV

because our anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.

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James 1:23, KJB

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

James 1:23, TNIV

Those who listen to the word but do not do what it says are like people who look at their faces in a mirror

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James 3:2, KJB

For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

James 3:2, TNIV

We all stumble in many ways. Those who are never at fault in what they say are perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

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The Greek word ‘aner’ is mis-translated in the following verses:

Matt 12:41 men to people

Luke 11:31 men to people

Luke 11:32 men to people

Luke 14:24 men to people

Acts 2:5 men to Jews (also NIV)

Acts 2:22 men to people

Acts 3:12 men to people

Acts 4:4 men to believers

Acts 10:28 man to anyone

Acts 13:16 men to people

Acts 14:15 sirs to friends

Acts 17:22 men to people

Acts 17:34 men to people

Acts 19:25 sirs to friends

Acts 19:35 men to people

Acts 20:30 men to some

Acts 21:28 man to people

Acts 21:38 man to terrorists (also NIV)

Acts 23:21 men to them (also NIV)

Acts 25:24 man to who (also NIV)

Romans 4:8 man to those

Ephesians 4:13 perfect man to mature (also NIV)

James 1:8 man to they

James 1:12 man to those

James 1:20 man to our

James 1:23 man to people

James 2:2 man to someone

James 2:2 man to person

James 3:2 man to those

In the following 21 verses the TNIV ignores or drops the Greek word ‘aner’. Every one of these is also removed from the ‘original’ NIV.

 

Luke 1:34 (also NIV)

Luke 19:7 (also NIV)

Acts 1:16 (also NIV)

Acts 2:29 (also NIV)

Acts 2:37 (also NIV)

Acts 7:2 (also NIV)

Acts 8:27 (also NIV)

Acts 11:13 (also NIV)

Acts 13:15 (also NIV)

Acts 13:21 (also NIV)

Acts 13:26 (also NIV)

Acts 13:38 (also NIV)

Acts 15:7 (also NIV)

Acts 15:13 (also NIV)

Acts 21:11 (also NIV)

Acts 22:1 (also NIV)

Acts 22:3 (also NIV)

Acts 23:1 (also NIV)

Acts 23:6 (also NIV)

Acts 28:17 (also NIV)

Romans 11:4 (also NIV)

THE HUMAN FACTOR. . .

 One of the favorite "buzz words" among the new agers, feminists, and atheists, is ‘human’. The ‘human’ mantra comes in many chants; Humanist, secular humanism, human consciousness, human dimensions, human rights, human cloning, humanitarianism, The Human Potential Movement (HPM), the Humanist Manifesto, and of course, the feminist mantra – "Not female, Not male – Human".

‘Humanism’ is a religion that eliminates God and deifies man. "Man is god" is the heart-beat of humanism.

Webster's New International Dictionary defines "humanism" as:

"Contemporary cult or belief calling itself religious but substitutes faith in man for faith in God."

(cited in Cathy Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, p. 93)

The Father of Humanism is found in Genesis 3:5. When Satan, slithering in the garden of Eden, whispered the infamous "ye shall be as gods" – humanism officially began. The same deadly venom the serpent [Satan] injected into the heart of Eve, is the same poison running through the veins of humanism.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:5

The Humanistic Manifesto II, openly proclaims:

"No deity will save us; we must save ourselves."

http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html

Humanist Corliss Lamont irreverently writes:

"Humanism assigns to man nothing less than the task of being his own Saviour and Redeemer."

(Corliss Lamont, The Philosophy of Humanism, p. 283)

Humanism is the same hell-bound cry of Satanism. Church of Satan founder, Anton Lavey, states in the Satanic Bible:

"Say unto thine own heart, ‘I am mine own redeemer’".

(The Satanic Bible, Anton Lavey, p.33)

Satan’s plan is simple. Dethrone God. And making man god, is a clever battle plan. The "ye shall be as gods" lie has destroyed more lives, shed more tears, and filled the pits of hell more than any other lie. It’s the translation methodology of the TNIV, and the new perversions. "I don’t care what God says, I am man, and I-man will make God say what I-man wants God to say". It’s the same serpent-inspired, "yea, hath God said" of Genesis 3:1.

As the neuter word ‘human’ is a favorite among the new agers, feminists and atheists – it is also the "darling" among the new versions.

The TNIV translators exchange ‘man’ with the generic, new age approved and feminist inspired ‘human’ – over 120 times. The mechanical "human beings" occurs 30 times. And that’s just the New Testament. Oh by the way, the "original" NIV contains 'human' 52 times.

Let’s look at some ‘human’ verses. . .

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Matthew 15:8-9, KJB

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 15:8-9, TNIV

‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’"

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John 1:13, KJB

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 1;13, TNIV

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

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John 2:25, KJB

And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

John 2:25, TNIV

He did not need human testimony about them, for he knew what was in them.

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John 5:41, KJB

I receive not honour from men.

John 5:41, TNIV

"I do not accept glory from human beings,

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John 12:43, KJB

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

John 12:43, TNIV

for they loved human glory more than the glory of God.

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Acts 5:29, KJB

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Acts 5:29, TNIV

Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than human beings! 

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Romans 1:23, KJB

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:23, TNIV

and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal human beings and birds and animals and reptiles.

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Romans 3:4, KJB

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;. . .

Romans 3:4, TNIV

Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar.. . .

 

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Romans 3:5, KJB

But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Romans 3:5, TNIV

But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)

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1 Corinthians 3:3, KJB

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

1 Corinthians 3:3, TNIV

You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere human beings?

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1 Corinthians 7:23, KJB

Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

1 Corinthians 7:23, TNIV

You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.

NOTE: The TNIV and NIV are infatuated with slavery. The barbaric, racist and insensitive word "slave" is 58 times in the TNIV and over 100 times in the original NIV. I thought the TNIV-NIV was inclusive and up-to-date – with slaves?

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Ephesians 2:15, KJB

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:15, TNIV

by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

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Colossians 2:8, KJB

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:8, TNIV

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

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Colossians 3:23, KJB

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Colossians 3:23, TNIV

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,

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Hebrews 2:6-7, KJB

But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Hebrews 2:6-7 TNIV

But there is a place where someone has testified: "What are mere mortals that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them?

You made them a little lower than the angels; you crowned them with glory and honor

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James 3:9, KJB

Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

James 3:9, TNIV

With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.

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2 Peter 1:21, KJB

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21, TNIV

For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

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Notice how bland, and impersonal the generic mechanical, "human" and "human being" sounds.

Now really. . . Does such a dead, impersonal language really encourage anyone to read the Bible? And these are the folks that ridicule the King James Bible as being "out of touch" and unable to speak in the common language.

The TNIV web site makes ridiculous statements like, ". . . reach today's generation with language they can understand and relate to. . . . that clearly and accurately communicates in today's language."(TNIV: Questions and Answers, www.tniv.info/QandA.php)

When the TNIV says "in today’s language" – one has to ask — have the TNIV group ever had a conversation with any "common people"? The TNIV reads like an IRS Tax booklet.

Who ‘in today’s language’ says "human being" – rather than "man". Who in ‘everyday language’ would say, "Look at that human being" versus, "Look at that man".

The Bible says in Mark 12:37, ". . .And the common people heard him [Jesus Christ] gladly." Of course, the TNIV doesn’t have any "common people" – it totally destroys the emphasize of the verse with, "The large crowd listened to him with delight."

 

THE TNIV’S PORTRAYAL OF SATAN. . .

In Matthew 16:23, the Lord Jesus Christ, warns of Satan’s humanist "ye shall be as gods" trickery. But the TNIV incredibly re-word the verse and describes Satan as "concerned about humans".

 

Matthew 16:23, KJB

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Matthew 16:23, TNIV

Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

Human concerns? Is the devil REALLY "concerned" about us humans? The TNIV makes Satan sound like a good guy – after all, he’s "concerned" with us "humans".

 

The TNIV’s portrayal of Satan comes way too close to the same satanic portrait found in new-age Theosophy. H.P. Blavatsky says Satan is human’s "real creator and benefactor" and "the ever loving messenger", "our redeemer. . . or liberator and our Saviour".

"Satan, the Serpent of Genesis is the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he . . . who opened the eyes of the automaton (Adam) created by Jehovah. . . he still remains in Esoteric Truth the ever loving messenger . . ."

(H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine, Vol 3, p. 246)

"And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the ‘Lord of Phosphorus’ and Lucifer, or ‘Light Bearer’, is in us; . . . our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour. . ."

(HP Blavatasky, The Secret Doctrine)

Before we leave the ‘human’ factor found in the TNIV and other gender inclusive perversions, a look at some of the other new "gender inclusive" PER versions and the book of Ezekiel is worth a laugh.

The New Century Version (NCV) has God addressing Ezekiel not with the familiar ‘son of man’, but God addresses Ezekiel with the robotic, stern "human". Look at this foolish, nonsense. This is a riot.

Here’s a sampling from Ezekiel chapters 2 and 3. . .

Ezekiel chapter 2,3:, NCV 

2:1 He said to me, "Human, stand up on your feet so I may speak with you."

2:3 He said, "Human, I am sending you to the people of Israel. . ."

2:6 You, human, don't be afraid of the people or their words. . .

2:8 But you, human, listen to what I say to you. . .

3:1 Then the LORD said to me, "Human, eat what you find; eat this scroll. . .

3:3 He said to me, "Human, eat this scroll which I am giving you, . .

3:4 Then he said to me, "Human, go to the people of Israel, . . .

3:10 Also, he said to me, "Human, believe all the words I will speak to you, . .

3:17 "Human, I now make you a watchman for Israel. . .

3:25 As for you, human, the people will tie you up with ropes . . .

 

In the book of Ezekiel, The NCV has God addressing Ezekiel as 'human' – 96 laughable times!

The International Children's Bible (ICB) has God addressing Ezekiel as 'human being'.

Ezekiel 3:1,3, ICB

3:1 Then the Lord said to me, "Human being, eat what you find. . .

3:3 Then the Lord said unto me, "Human being, eat this scroll. . .

 

The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) is not much better with it's 'mortal' for 'son of man'.

Ezekiel 3:1,3, NRSV

3:1 He said to me, O mortal, eat what is offered to you; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.

3 He said to me, Mortal, eat this scroll that I give you and fill your stomach with it. Then I ate it; and in my mouth it was as sweet as honey.

The gender-inclusive NRSV contains the neuter, impersonal 'human' 322 times, God's Word 176 times, NCV 249 times, New Living Bible 206 times, the International Children's Bible 163 times.

All this silly nonsense – just to get rid of the sexist 'man'.

What’s so ironic. . . These are the same people that attack the King James Bible as being out of date and too hard to understand.

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And I sought for A MAN among them,

that should make up the hedge,

and stand in the gap before me for the land,

that I should not destroy it:

but I found none.

 

Until we meet again;

May God Bless you as we grow together in His Word,

 

Jim
 

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